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Post  gk-11393 on Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:30 pm

I have heard it mentioned that push shots are illegal, however it is mentioned nowhere in the rules. Please explain for our edification exactly what it is and where it applies to the current rules. I could find no mention of it in the rules to date.

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but is it illegal?

Post  gk-11393 on Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:11 pm

I have had situations where the object ball and cue ball are kissed. by applying a forward motion with top english to the cue ball with left or right english.... making the shot. the two seperate and the shot is made. Where would this differ from the same kissed circumstance where a cut is applied? In both you have to push "through" the object ball?

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Re: Push Shots

Post  charlie horse on Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:32 pm

I thought a push was only used in 9-ball, and only the first shot after the break.
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Re: Push Shots

Post  Drew on Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:50 pm

gk-11393 wrote:I have had situations where the object ball and cue ball are kissed. by applying a forward motion with top english to the cue ball with left or right english.... making the shot. the two seperate and the shot is made. Where would this differ from the same kissed circumstance where a cut is applied? In both you have to push "through" the object ball?
A PUSH shot is a 9 ball term and can be used after the break only. THROW is in reference to altering the path of an object ball struck by a cue ball traveling with english imparted and of course, can also be thrown with a frozen cue ball. There is nothing illegal about shooting your object ball that is frozen to the cue ball. There is much more jeopardy when the object ball is an inch from the cue ball. If the shooter follows through with his stick a double hit is very likely.


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Push? You mean "Throw"

Post  Luke Routhieaux on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:04 pm

Good Evening,

I think what you are talking about is a "throw". When the cue ball and another ball are touching or "kissing" you will utilize what is called a "throw", as described in the other posting. "Throws" are very legal it is part of the game just like the break and ball in hand.
A push is used only in 9-ball and it is only used after the break if the player breaks and pockets a ball then finds themselves without a shot they may "push" the cue to any spot on the table with their cue stick. Think of it as a safety shot without the ball in hand penalty. I have never heard of it being legal in 8-ball only 9-ball.
I hope that helps.


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Re: Push Shots

Post  Dave Burnham on Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:55 am

Regarding push shots, if it is not in the rules it needs to be added as an addendum. the board and captains of this league many years ago determined that there is no such thing as a push shot and any cue ball frozen to an object ball can be struck without it being a foul.

In the past a (push or a throw) was considered a foul if it was a double hit, but because nearly 90% of people playing in this league can not see if it was an illegal shot, or a good shot, we said that all pushes or throws were deemed legal. This was because there were many problems in the past. we decided to enforce that they are legal and ok to shoot so it would eliminate many problems.

I hope that answers any questions you may have and please (Drew) can this be put in rules if not there already.

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Re: Push Shots

Post  Drew on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:09 pm

Dave wrote:Regarding push shots, if it is not in the rules it needs to be added as an addendum. the board and captains of this league many years ago determined that there is no such thing as a push shot and any cue ball frozen to an object ball can be struck without it being a foul.

I hope that answers any questions you may have and please (Drew) can this be put in rules if not there already.

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Page 8 of the rules covers double hits, of course. When reading the posts on the subjects of 'push' and 'throw', the points of the writers were so valid that I looked in the rules and then went to a reference source for clarification of those terms and posted a reply regarding the definitions of push and throw. First, the league rules make no mention of push nor throw, which they shouldn't. They don't apply. (Push is a 9 ball term and throw has to do with english.) That a frozen cue ball automatically makes for a double hit and is called a 'push shot' is incorrect. (Where'd that come from?) Reference source: Gerry Kanov and Shari Stauch. Both are pro players and staff writers for Pool and Billiards Magazine.

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Re: Push Shots

Post  noticen24 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:57 am

I thought a push was only used in 9-ball, and only the first shot after the break.

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Re: Push Shots

Post  Mayzak on Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:32 am

charlie horse wrote:I thought a push was only used in 9-ball, and only the first shot after the break.

Let me try to set this straight..... It is not a push shot in 9 ball..... It is a "PUSH OUT" after the break and is use gives the opposing player the choice of shooting the shot or returning it to the player who shot the push out.....

For a more detailed explanation you might see: http://stason.org/TULARC/sports/billiard-pool/5-What-is-a-push-shot.html

Hope this helps.
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